Darcy Proposes Again and She Says Yes
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I've done a blog on whether or not Elizabeth should have accepted Darcy's first proposal:https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog...
I would accept linked to it earlier, simply have been suffering from browser blues, making everything more than difficult. Anyway, savor, and if you're interested, post your thoughts here or there.
I say she should not have; because for one, she had not yet discovered she loved him-and a marriage without love would be incorrect. To ally him just for his money and the assistance he could give her sis socially, would be selfish and a completely unhappy-ending for the characters-albeit she could suddenly realize she loves him, and he realize how awful he has been treating everyone-but that is too slim a take chances,( and not a expert ane to take), to marry someone on.And two, he had not the right attitude yet, nor had she. They both had growing to do, before they were both worthy of the other.:)
No, due to the fact that she really believed that he was pompous and arrogant, and responsible for breaking upwardly the love match betwixt her sis Jane and Bingley. 
No, considering of the opinions she had of him at the time. She would have been unhappy with the marriage and I think Darcy would be unhappy with the wedlock as well. He would have seen Elizabeth'south unhappiness and he would become unhappy with the matrimony likewise. Even though Elizabeth may have come to love Darcy in the end, I don't retrieve they would had the truthful happiness they had later on Elizabeth accustomed his second proposal. 
she shouldn't have accepted just also she shouldn't take treated him that bad and she shouldn't have judged him earlier listening from him - or it wouldn't have been named pride and prejudice this way ;) - 
No considering it's fiction and at that place would exist no plot. Too considering why do we honey Mr. Darcy? Not because he's a rude snob but considering his love for Elizabeth allows him to encounter himself every bit he is and he changes. He charges for her and that is why women honey Mr. Darcy. She should not have accepted a proposal from a man she couldn't respect (Collins) or a man who always looked down on her and made her feel inferior. Pre-proposal Darcy would accept made her know she should be grateful for the honor of marrying him. He would take not allowed her family to visit, probably encourage her to distance herself from them (Lydia anyhow) and I think she would have been dreadfully unhappy. QNPoohBear wrote: "No because it'due south fiction and at that place would exist no plot. Also because why do we love Mr. Darcy? Non considering he's a rude snob simply considering his love for Elizabeth allows him to see himself as he is and he ..." I recall the conversation between Wickham and Lizzy before he leaves for Brighton, they discuss Darcy and Elizabeth said. "In essentials, I believe, he is very much what he ever was." And that remained true throughout the book. I dont remember Darcy changed much really, he didnt really need to change and so very much. He was essentially a good man. He did readjust his thinking, recognise his prideful airs and how ungentlemanly he had been in his addresses.
It was Lizzy's connections and frequently giddy family members he felt embarrassing and beneath him, I dont believe he felt this mode about Lizzy herself. I honestly dont think he looked downwards on her, more that he fastened too much importance to their relative positions in society and it was this sensitivity that made him feel a certain embarrassment and negativity to the attachment.
Darcy is really rude to/almost Elizabeth just twice. Kickoff, when he refused to dance with her considering she was only tolerable. That was something she was non meant to eavesdrop, and who among us has never said something nosotros did not mean for others to eavesdrop? Besides, he obviously changed his listen on this point. Second, when he proposes, he expounds on the inferiority of her family connections.The rest of the time he is correct. Or silent. And I actually think Darcy is a little shy, or at least reserved, because he is non accustomed to being in dear.
I don't think the betoken about whether she should or shouldn't have accepted him is arguable - she would not exist Elizabeth Bennet if she had accustomed him! I will, however, argue with yous well-nigh him being shy, because I actually don't think he is. On the contrary, he thinks himself improve than his company, and won't talk because of it. He doesn't put himself out to be pleasant to others, partly because he doesn't know how, and partly considering he doesn't recall information technology's worthwhile to do so. Merely I challenge you to find me a shy person who would then readily become upwardly to their crush and ask her to trip the light fantastic in a room where nobody else is dancing. He has no problem of speaking or doing whatsoever he pleases, when he thinks the person is worth his try :) Really, Darcy's asking her if she would care to dance a reel at Netherfield is one bit of Jane Austen that I find inconsistent with his character in general. Certainly he is drawn to her only is rather shy in her presence. At Rosings and Hunsford Parsonage, he barely speaks to her, even though his cousin says Darcy is usually far more talkative. His silence happens even when they are alone together, during her walks at Rosings. Maybe our understanding of what shy means varies. He is silent, yes, but that does not mean that he is afraid of other people, nervous or timid of them, which is what shy ways, doesn't it? In fact, it is stated in the volume over again and again, past the narrator and Mr Darcy himself, that he thinks himself in a higher place his company, and meanly of others. And he does speak to her both in Rosings and previously in Netherfield! He is non talkative, but then he doesn't know her very well, and, as said earlier, he doesn't talk much to people he doesn't know. Nor is he used to putting himself out to be interesting to other people. He is not used to having to exist pleasing socially, so he doesn't do it. So no, I really don't think he is shy. And I don't retrieve Jane Austen, who spent so many years polishing her most cherished novel, would take put any action inconsistent with Mr Darcy'south character into her story. That would just be evidently odd. Austen never explicitly describes Darcy as shy, only Darcy himself admits to Elizabeth that he is "sick-qualified to recommend myself to strangers." And he adds"I certainly have not the talent which some people possess,....of conversing easily with those I have never seen before. I cannot catch their tone of conversation, or appear interested in their concerns.." The Colonel teasingly states that Darcy fails to recommend himself, because he doesnt want to make the effort to exercise then. We acquire that Darcy in Derbyshire is assured of respect as a Landowner, primary and patron. In London likewise he has his own set, he has his sphere which he likely does non leave. Inside these environs he is comfortable, he doesnt demand to work at being liked or respected. His position, his family name, his connections ensure that he doesnt need to put himself out and he has no reason to fear rejection or gamble embarrassment.
Georgiana is shy, it may well be a family trait. In the teenage sister it manifests itself every bit repose reticence and blushes. But Darcy is nearly 30 and a man of position and authority. There is little chance he would just come out and say he'south shy and I dont think he is shy when moving in his own circles, but I recall when in a strange place amongst strange people his defenses go upwardly and he distances himself, using his reserve, dignity and pride as a shield. He cares more about protecting himself than risking offending strangers.
I think Darcy may exist introverted but he'southward also not used to putting himself out in that location. People come to Darcy, not vice versa. I don't recall he'due south shy, he's simply not very outgoing. ᏒIᎪlᎥstᎥc wrote: "I think Darcy may exist introverted but he's besides not used to putting himself out there. People come up to Darcy, not vice versa. I don't call up he's shy, he's just not very outgoing." Yes! :)
Susan wrote: "Georgiana is shy, it may well exist a family unit trait. [...] Merely Darcy is well-nigh thirty and a human of position and authorization. There is piffling chance he would just come out and say he's shy and I dont call back he is shy when moving in his own circles, simply I think when in a foreign place among strange people his defenses become up and he distances himself, using his reserve, dignity and pride as a shield. He cares more about protecting himself than risking offending strangers. "
That is an interesting way of looking at how he is described in the book, and a valid estimation, I think, though I volition still disagree. I know people who are shy and people who are introverted, and yes, there is some overlap, but information technology is perfectly possible for a person to simply not be interested in speaking to others, and to therefore not practice so. Darcy has added reason to experience that manner about the majority of the people he meets, especially in Hertfordshire: he thinks he is better then all of them, and in some respects he certainly is. Of class, a true gentleman would never show this in then marked a fashion as he does, and that is the problem Elizabeth has with his behaviour. But I will say again, that a shy person would observe it extremely difficult to approach the object of his affections and ask her to dance and have her rejection with goose egg more than a smile and an like shooting fish in a barrel acceptance. He has no reluctance to speak with her, approach her, ask her to dance and fifty-fifty flirt with her, when it pleases him. He does not blush, stammer or hesitate. The only reluctance he shows in courting her is on the basis of her background and the perceived injury he would be doing to his dignity by aligning himself with her family unit. He is proud, a potent case can be made for an introverted type grapheme, but no, not shy.
I don't remember Darcy is shy and I don't think he truly loves Elizabeth at the time of his first proposal. He doesn't know her very well - he assumes she'll jump at the run a risk to marry him like Caroline and other women he knows. He doesn't understand her or her family. When he talks of "easy distance" think how far that is for Charlotte and how much farther it would be for Elizabeth. Sure Darcy must take a comfortable wagon and would let Elizabeth use it to visit her family but information technology has such a cavalier air. You tin get home in my fancy carriage and see your junior family unit but since they are then much below me and don't have their own carriage, they tin can't come up hither - thank goodness. I think he does change. He grows as a person and learns to respect and appreciate Elizabeth. He does appear a shy at the end when he's embarrassed and Elizabeth is embarrassed because of what he did for Lydia.
I retrieve that at the time of Darcy's first proposal he would make his embarrassment of her inferior relations known and not leave of his way to invite them to Pemberley. At the fourth dimension of his second proposal, he realizes that he too has embarrassing relatives (Lady Catherine!) and that he wants Elizabeth's happiness above all things, even if it ways giving her up forever.
I don't think he'due south naturally shy though. Reticent, reserved, proud and a flake haughty. As Elizabeth points out, she could play the piano well if she skilful. She'southward really telling Darcy that he could make himself amusing if he practices. He doesn't carp considering he doesn't ordinarily take to. People come to him because of who he is. He'due south kind enough to his employees - noblesse oblige and he's probably the same with his tenants but he doesn't desire anything to exercise with the locals at Meryton, not even Sir Lucas, who admittedly is embarrassing, but he means well and I tin can encounter Bingley interim the same way when he's older. I wish Jane Austen had told u.s.a. more about Darcy and Bingley's friendship and how they came to be friends.
I don't recall Austen meant anyone to believe Darcy did not love Elizabeth when he proposed. I call back that only the deepest feelings could have worked against his pride. Certainly if he did not love her while at Rosings surely he had trivial time while she was in Derbyshire to develop deeper feelings? He loved her, simply cartel I say he was not worthy of her? He was a good man, a loving blood brother and kind main as well as a loyal friend. Only he let Bingley and Lizzie down by his airs. He saw Elizabeth's worth. A human like him, so disdainful of deceitful, shallow natures and unable to stop himself observing Lizzie closely must have seen her good character, her intelligence and vivacity. Her refusal of Collins, a toadeater who Darcy would have seen for what he was, was bound to print him. Many girls in Lizzies position would take married Collins and cast aside their dignity for a comfortable life. Just Lizzie was higher up that.
He must take loved her profoundly to become against what he thought was his duty, merely he approached her while nonetheless in the throes of inner turmoil and in uncertainty. His reasoning was faulty.
Recall a similar situation but none romantic with Huck Finn. Huck's conscience troubles him when he helps the runaway slave Jim. Everyone he believes knows best says slavery is not incorrect. Yet he helps Jim. So to Huck that means he is doing something wrong.
Darcys conscience still tells him he is doing wrong when he offers for Lizzie and that aforementioned misguided reasoning drives him to openly acknowledge his struggle and inner turmoil. He knows he loves her. He declares he loves her, only his upbringing and pride tell him that to love her is wrong! This faulty reasoning is his flaw.
Absolutely, Susan! If he did non love her, and if he was truly eaten up with pride and self-upshot, he would a) never have fallen for Lizzy to begin with and b) never accept thought her reproofs worthy of his attending. Yet he does heed to her, he respects her opinion so much he takes himself to job, and endeavours to do as she told him. That's a lot of love correct there. I agree with yous that he loves her, simply that he proves his worthiness of her past first showing the true goodness of his graphic symbol, and by secondly showing himself willing, if not entirely capable, of changing those aspects of it, which are bad.
Emily wrote: "Absolutely, Susan! If he did non dear her, and if he was truly eaten up with pride and self-consequence, he would a) never accept fallen for Lizzy to begin with and b) never have thought her reproofs..." Yes, I think Darcy realises, after no doubtfulness some painful self examination, that he behaved desperately and he puts things right.
In relation to shyness, reserve or being introverted , arent these just different manifestations of the aforementioned under lying motivation? They stem from a desire for self preservation. People manifest such behaviour to stave of embarrassment, discomfort, unwanted attentions and so on. So I honestly recollect whether we label Darcy shy, introverted, reserved or stand up offish doesnt thing much. Ultimately he behaves as he does in Derbyshire because of pride and a sense of no longer existence sure of how others volition care for him. Too a person can overcome shyness or reserve if they accept a strong plenty motivation. I disagree, there is a strong divergence betwixt someone who is shy, and wants to speak only tin can't because of fear of ridicule or low sense of self-worth, whichever may be the instance, and someone who is introverted, and thus prefers not to be among many strange people all at one time, and finds it tiring and demanding to be cheerful and interested in others. There is a vast departure between the ii. Naturally, nobody is ever always shy and always introverted, but equally far equally all the behaviour nosotros are given to witness from Darcy goes, I tin can't come across any behaviour of his that indicates he is in the least agape of other people, or that he worries well-nigh how he is perceived. He does, however, testify a potent dislike of being thrust into state of affairs where he has to encounter many new people, and won't speak unless he has determined that his conversation partner is intelligent and worthy of his attention. So, he will talk to Elizabeth readily, because he does run into her worth, only he will repulse Mrs Bennet or Mrs Long, or Sir William Lucas, because he thinks too highly of himself to condescend to make himself agreeable to them. Contrast this with Bingley's behaviour - he will readily speak to anybody, and tries to be squeamish to whomever he meets. He is outgoing, extroverted, perhaps, and non the to the lowest degree chip proud. And compare this to Georgiana Darcy, who really is shy, and therefore won't speak for fright that she may be heard. 
Emily, your contrast of shy vs introvert is true in my case and I agree with it every bit applied to Darcy.I am an introvert in that I prefer to exist solitary and frequently chose to forgo many social occasions/invitations due to love of my own company. However, when with people I am quite talkative, whether at work, or chatting up someone at the bus stop.
Emily wrote: "I disagree, there is a strong departure between someone who is shy, and wants to speak simply tin can't because of fear of ridicule or depression sense of cocky-worth, whichever may be the instance, and someone who ..." Hi I think you are missing my betoken. Im not sayng introverted behaviour or shyness are the aforementioned thing. I said they were oftentimes manifestations of similar motivations.
Violence or hysterical screams or crimper up in a brawl can be reactions motivated by an underlying fear, but they are very dissimilar manifestations and the level of fearfulness motivating them can be very different. I dont for 1 minute recollect Darcy has depression self esteem. I'm only saying Darcys behaviour is partly motivated by his protecting himself. Yep he doesnt want to socialise or mix every bit much equally Bingley and he doesnt suffer fools gladly, merely he certainly dreads losing face as well and he protects his dignity.
Susan wrote: "Hi I think you are missing my point." I don't think I am missing your point the fashion you phrased it in the previous post. You said:
Susan wrote: "So I honestly remember whether nosotros label Darcy shy, introverted, reserved or stand offish doesnt matter much. Ultimately he behaves as he does in Derbyshire because of pride and a sense of no longer being sure of how others volition treat him. Also a person can overcome shyness or reserve if they accept a strong plenty motivation."
I do remember it matters whether he is shy or introverted, because they are two different things. I understand your point, which is that his behaviour and its source are similar to that of a shy persons (behaviour: silence, source: cocky-preservation), but I don't think that the source is the aforementioned. I don't call back he is trying to protect his nobility or fears losing his confront. That is the sort of anxious behaviour we take no evidence of. He is, on the contrary, very certain of himself. He is and then certain of himself that he proposes to a woman he has no actual evidence of having attracted to himself. He assumes he has, because he is such a man. He is astonished when she refuses him. Later on, in the second part of the book, he is more anxious to please, and less cocky virtually the whole business organisation, to be sure, just that is merely considering she has already rejected him and humbled him. And then he is humbled. Not shy. Again, two dissimilar things. He doesn't act that style in the 2d part considering he fears for his dignity (or at least not primarily), he is more cautious because he is embarrassed, as is only natural in the circumstances, and because he is waiting for a sign from her that he may effort once more. The sign comes in the course of a raging Lady C, and he is back once again to make his second proposal.
Ultimately, you are challenge the roots of his behaviour to the same spot: fear of people, and he is not afraid of people, not in the least. That is the difference between introverts and shy people. That is the bespeak I was making.
Andrea (Catsos Person) is a Compulsive eBook Hoarder wrote: "Emily, your dissimilarity of shy vs introvert is true in my case and I agree with it as practical to Darcy.I am an introvert in that I prefer to be alone and oftentimes chose to forgo many social occasions/i..."
Yeah, my husband is the same! It'south a hurting to go him to agree to come to a party full of people he won't know, merely one time there he makes himself comfortable enough, and is quite happy once he institute the right people to talk to.
I think we have to recall some other aspect of Darcy's situation: he is wealthy. This means he could easily be the target of the unscrupulous. In fact, his sis already was. Experiences like this would naturally make him more reserved and guarded than he would be otherwise. 
All of your comments about Darcy's temperament remind me that of all Austen's characters, I think he's the most understandable to me. Just similar Darcy, I'm not shy whatsoever, and I don't suffer fools gladly, either. I've always had a hard time non but putting people out of my life when they've been a major disappointment, as well. Luckily, I haven't had too many Wickhams in my life. Alas, withal, our monetary lives are not similar...
Victoria_Grossack wrote: "I've done a blog on whether or not Elizabeth should have accustomed Darcy's first proposal:https://world wide web.goodreads.com/author_blog...
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No. it is a highly insulting proposal, no woman of spirit could possibly discover information technology tolerable. besides, Elizabeth's refusal is good for Darcy, information technology makes him deport ameliorate.
She had every right to decline him the first time, and if I was in her shoes I would have done the same. Although in a mode, I understand why he said the things he did because no one had nevertheless told him that information technology was rude of him to do. Elizabeth was helping his grow by turning him downward. If she had accepted him the start time, he may not accept turned out the way Austen wrote him at the terminate of the novel. 
She did skillful. Made him desire her that much more. Still, it could've backfired and she could've lost him forever, specially if he was/were? (never get those correct lol) also much the admirer and took the hint correct off the bat. Tina wrote: "She did expert. Made him want her that much more. Nonetheless, it could've backfired and she could've lost him forever, particularly if he was/were? (never become those right lol) too much the gentleman and..." At the time of her refusal though she didn't desire him. She wasn't doing something calculated, her response to him was sincere.
Susan wrote: He loved her, but dare I say he was not worthy of her? He was a skillful human, a loving brother and kind master as well every bit a loyal friend. Elizabeth should not have accustomed the proposal. Yes, he may take turned out to have the personality traits described by Susan (I think he did) but he had other characteristics that were featured: Pride, curtness, aloofness, silence, rudeness and stubbornness. None of the sometime were evident by the time of the commencement proposal; all of the latter were on display.
That's a really skilful point about the personality traits Elizabeth had observed in Darcy at the fourth dimension of his first proposal. He certainly came off snobbish/big-headed equally he listed the reasons he shouldn't want to marry her. Perhaps her refusal was what made him vulnerable enough to show his better traits. It was the "new" side of Darcy that truly won Elizabeth's heart.
Just got around to reading this discussion. I call back in that location is the structural reason Elizabeth refuses - the novel requires it, and it gives the reader (and Elizabeth) the opportunity to come across another side of Darcy's grapheme, how he behaves as a brother, how he is regarded by his staff and how far he is willing to go to pursue Lydia and Wickham.The fact that she does not have Darcy's first proposal positions her in contrast to Charlotte. Both of them understand that money is necessary - it is "the only honorable provision for well-educated young women of small fortune" and Lizzy agrees with her aunt that Wickham'due south lack of fortune would make a lucifer imprudent. Nonetheless, Elizabeth doesn't concord with Charlotte'due south opinion that happiness in wedlock is a matter of chance and that even uniform natures will "abound sufficiently unlike" in the course of a spousal relationship. Of course, Elizabeth has seen the downside of an incompatible friction match (her parents) - and then while she doesn't dismiss the importance of having something to alive on, she isn't willing to settle for only money, and she does see the advantages of a compatible match in the Gardiners.
If she had accepted his get-go proposal, you lot accept to believe that ii of her main objections to him - that he cheated Wickham out of the situation old Mr. Darcy had promised, and that he deliberately divided Jane and Bingley - would have been resolved. A marriage between Lizzy and Darcy would have provided more than opportunities for his all-time friend and her favorite sister to exist together, and it would have been inevitable that Lizzy would have learned the truth about Wickham. Also, it'south probable Wickham would have hesitated to run off with Mr. Darcy'southward sis-in-police. In fact, the absence of a Lydia/Wickham elopement would probably be the merely culling outcome had Elizabeth accepted Darcy's beginning proposal.
I say no; the both of them still needed to piece of work out issues, plus accept some time to understand their feelings. 
I totally agree with you J. plus accepting the start proposal would take have created major flaws in Elizabeth character. It would accept basically be her saying "yep i still believe you did all those awful things, merely who cares your rich!!" Had she accepted the kickoff time around i dubiety she would take exist the beloved heroine she is today. Also, i see the fact that Mr. Darcy is shy coming up a lot in this thread, and while i agree that he is shy and that it took a lot for him to propose to her, to me it has aught to practice with conditions or non Elizabeth should take accepted him. Louise wrote: "Tina wrote: "She did proficient. Fabricated him want her that much more than. However, information technology could've backfired and she could've lost him forever, especially if he was/were? (never get those correct lol) too much the ..." True that, Louise. In the finish, it all worked out. :-)
Victoria_Grossack wrote: "I've done a blog on whether or not Elizabeth should take accustomed Darcy's beginning proposal:https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog...
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I agree. She was right to refuse him.
At that bespeak in the book she knows exactly what she's looking for in a life partner - and JA hints at what it is past having her refuse Mr. Collins. Zippo Collins says sways her the least bit, pregnant that her inducements are on the 'romantic', personality side of things. Her father enforces my view on this by saying afterward that he would non have her in a partnership where she couldn't respect the other. Evidently this is from personal experience, and, as discerning as she is, Elizabeth likely picked upwards on this years ago and is also looking for a partner she can respect.
Mr. Darcy is none of those things. She doesn't respect him, she doesn't like him, and she tin barely stand talking to him without making fun of him. She knows what kind of a marriage that would make for, and she won't accept it.
No. It probably felt incorrect at outset but equally we see, information technology turned out just fine. ;-) Should Lizzie have accepted Darcy's first proposal?No! She hadn't still seen Pemberly!!! :) :) :)
More seriously (!), I agree Lizzie would take been morally wrong to take Darcy first fourth dimension around, since she believed him to have deliberately parted her sister from the man she loved, plus harmed the 'innocent' (!) Wickham. That said, had she not gone to Derbyshire with her aunt and uncle, but gone, as originally planned, to the Lake Commune, she might never have seen Darcy again. OK, the only chance she might have had would accept been had she gone to visit Charlotte another time, and Darcy might have been there by chance as well. Otherwise she and he would not have crossed paths ever once more.
On the other hand, once she has read Darcy's letter, explaining about Wickham and Georgiana, I estimate she could have realised she had misjudged him in that, at least, and invited him to tell her more? And so revised her decision?
I agree with the comments that point out that Darcy never has a trouble with Lizzie, only with her vulgar family unit.
And that it is definitely a proof of his love for her (when he does truly fall in dearest with her, rather than 'in lust' which is really what is driving his first proposal!), that he overcomes his very understandable revulsion to her family (because they ARE vulgar!) in order to marry her.
However, just how 'proficient' Darcy'due south sentence is, even though he is right virtually her vulgar family, is questionable. I've always plant it bizarre that he puts upward with Bingley's ghastly sisters, who are, in their own way, also vulgar at the contrary end of the spectrum, existence so snobbish near 'trade', for example (Sir William Lucas, whom they laugh at for having 'kept a very good store'!), when their own fortune is derived from trade.As for the other sister's impolite husband, Darcy couldn't possibly have felt anything other than contempt for him!
When yous are already endowed with vulgar associates, it'due south understandable that you don't want to add to their number. 
There is a right fourth dimension for everything. And for Lizzie and Mr Darcy, their correct fourth dimension was non the first proposal. Maria wrote: "I totally hold with you J. plus accepting the first proposal would take have created major flaws in Elizabeth grapheme. It would have basically be her saying "yeah i nonetheless believe you did all tho..." I've never idea of him as shy. Haughty and stuck up yeah, shy no.
I think mayhap 'reserved' is a better clarification of Darcy's style in public.I suspect too, that his general feel as a swain inheriting a large and prestigious estate, at a very young age (ideally, his begetter should have lived another twenty years or so, and so that he could 'oversee' his son, and Darcy would have married and ready his nursery well earlier inheriting), plus a huge fortune (millionaire by our standards, easily!), would have made him very wary of being too 'easily intimate' with 'everyone'.
I think he was wary of 'toad-eaters' constantly making upwards to him (and women, of course, beelining him!), and that made him behave in a 'chilly' way towards the general hoi polloi (ie, even within 'genteel' society).
Information technology's revealing, in a way, that whereas Lizzie is very keen to point out to Lady that 'he is a gentleman and I am a gentleman's daughter' that therefore she is Darcy'southward 'equal', that Darcy himself does not think that (Lady C obviously doesn't!), because he does non treat her family as his equals.
But, on the other mitt, are they non his equals because Mrs Bennet'southward male parent was but an attorney, and her brother Gardiner 'in merchandise' in London.....or is information technology because of Mrs B and Lydia being so vulgar (I don't recollect Kitty is 'inherently' vulgar, equally in, I'g sure once she starts visiting Pemberley, and seeing how Georgiana behaves, she will improve massively!)(ditto, I would like to see poor Mary palling up with poor crushed Anne de Burgh - I feel they are kindred spirits).
Certainly, I think Darcy demonstrates in the cease that it is not 'social status' that determines his mental attitude towards someone, but their behaviour, as he is perfectly civil and affable to the well-behaved, intelligent Mr and Mrs Gardiner.
Mr. Darcy never suspected Elizabeth to pass up him. Once she did decline him, though he plainly felt rejected, he began to respect her all the more. This was function of the wake up call he needed every bit the incentive to change. When she refused him, information technology also allowed her to be introspective and it allowed her to see him and other perspectives in a unlike light. If she had accepted him then and there, they wouldn't have the respect and fortitude to secure their happiness, though I would hope a future outcome would take woken them upwards.
Both needed this honesty to grow in their own accords.
"Both needed this honesty to grow in their own accords."Yes, indeed. Darcy needed to lose his 'pride' and Lizzie her 'prejudice'!
From a novelistic point of view, Lizzie's rejection was essential, every bit how could the story have continued otherwise? (Interesting challenge perchance?!)
From a 'realistic' point of view, ie, what a 'real' Lizzie might have washed is less obvious. In 'existent' life information technology would have taken a lot of moral fortitude to plough him down, having no expectation that whatsoever offering of marriage might e'er be made to her again, and knowing how poor she would be once her father had died.
Just what kind of marriage they would have had had she accepted Darcy, though, is catchy to call. I remember she'd have 'softened' Darcy in the end, merely information technology would have taken probably another crunch (similar to the ane instigated past Lydia'due south elopement) to bring out the best in him?
I would assume that once married, or perchance even while engaged, Darcy would have explained to her why he loathed Wickham.
On the 'realistic' bespeak of view still, I recollect one of the bug with whatsoever kind of updating of P and P (eg, even the Bollywood Bride and Prejudice), is that mod times but can't capture the penury to which Lizzie would take been reduced once her begetter had died.She really would have had merely about zero opportunity to ever regain the kind of affluence she enjoys every bit her male parent's girl nonetheless owning Longbourn.
Her turning downwards Darcy at his first proposal shows huge moral courage, which can't be recaptured in updates.
I believe Austen herself fabricated a similar determination in her lifetime, turning down a 'wealthy' proposal because she couldn't stomach marrying the man, even to be complimentary of her chronic, penny pinching genteel poverty.
Of course, one way Lizzie Bennett could have fabricated a living for herself would have been as a novelist!!!!! I'g sure she'd have written wonderfully witty novels! She could have partnered with Jane who would accept written dice-away 'soppy' novels with perfect heroes and heroines.
Maybe, too, had Mr B died, and Mr Collins taken over, and widowed Mrs B would probably have thrown herself upon her brother, Mr Gardiner, possibly Lizzie could have gone to live in London, learnt about 'trade' and possibly used her talents to become a female entrepreneur! (Rare though they doubtless were at the fourth dimension ). (This assumes Jane hadn't married Bingley, equally otherwise I'one thousand certain she'd have gone to live with them.)
Jane Austen did not brand a living writing novels. She got some money. Supporting yourself as an author has never been piece of cake, except for statistical flukes. Mary wrote: "Jane Austen did non make a living writing novels. She got some money. Supporting yourself as an author has never been like shooting fish in a barrel, except for statistical flukes." and she was a spinster, no family money or husband's coin to help out AND novels were a new genre and however looked at every bit suspect. Jane may have made more money if she hadn't sold the copyright to P&P but probably not much more. Mansfield Park and Emma didn't sell well. Jane made enough money for things she wanted just not enough to be contained.
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